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Understanding Scarcity and Post-Scarcity

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  • #28771
    Peter
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    It’s frustrating when people insist we are already living in a Post-Scarcity civilization.

    [See the full post at: Understanding Scarcity and Post-Scarcity]

    #28786
    Marcos
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    Not literally impossible, I mean, I can always strangle the air out of you or lock ya in a dark cage, no?

    But you can never get to 100% anyways.. it’s a self-contradictory concept. Think about it.

    .. If not materially, at least as bound by monkey psychology.

    #28788
    Singularity
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    Yes Marcos I appreciate the strangulation point regarding the abundance of air, but despite rare strangulation the fact remains air is free and generally we breathe it 99.999% unhindered.

    Most importantly you should note the part in the article where I wrote: “No accurate analogy exists to define Post-Scarcity because we haven’t reached Post-Scarcity. One close analogy is the air we breathe.”

    Air is the closest example we have but I readily admit it is not Post-Scarcity due to strangulation, or the lack of air underwater.

    The point is we can get to 100% resilience, and security, regarding resources; with sufficient technology. Sadly we don’t have the technology yet, thus people can be strangled and not everything is free in the manner far beyond the freedom of free air.

    #28789
    Marcos
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    “note the part in the article where”

    Oh, I see.. yes, I agree.

    Although, if enough coercion bring it to the realm of possibility and, if advanced enough technology is indistinguishable from magic then, wouldn’t the criticism towards people mentioning “artificial-scarcity” under Post-scarcity be moot? The latter being as impossible as the former given the latter.

    Perhaps most disturbingly, when they “insist we are already living in a Post-Scarcity civilization”, they could be right for the wrong — and less amusing 🙂 — reasons [1].

    MM

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis

    #28802
    Jer
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    I appreciate defining the ‘now’ as artificial scarcity and ‘then’ as post-scarcity however you define reasonable wants or needs in such a universe, but how to go forward?
    I suppose the easiest way is to implement programs of universal access – perhaps starting with those items essential to human welfare (your ability to exist) and productivity (your ability to contribute) that cannot be easily created by one-self: access to shelter and food, followed by access to health services, current education and productivity tools (work). Perhaps we could use the Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs as a post-scarcity roadmap. That all being said, I am not convinced a post-scarcity system could be implemented without a centrally planned system (which isn’t to necessarily say a forced work system) – however, you define that. That would likely be the hardest and primary mental and ideological leap to be made.

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