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Book Review: Designing the Future (2007) by Jacque Fresco

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    Peter
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    Jacque Fresco’s futurist book, Designing the Future which serves as something of an introduction the revolutionary Venus Project, is a manifesto for redesigning civilization itself.

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    Tim
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    Congratulations you and Karl Marx are in complete agreement. Problem is the socialism and communism do not work, they are incompatible with human instincts.

    This is not a problem science can solve, the instincts for self preservation, procreation and competition for mates and resources are build into us and are the reason we continue to exist. Our current culture is successful because it provides for the free expression of these instincts.

    Just had a horrifying thought, I hope no one takes offense at this but I have to say it. Lenin and Stalin systematically killed people who objected to their socialist/communist government at a rate of about 1 million people per year. In a way this could be interpreted as a method of generating a “post-human” population, one which did not have the instincts that makes socialism impossible, a kind of selective breeding program.

    Bottom line, you need money, you need competition, socialism doesn’t work, can’t, don’t try it…

    My two cents.

    Cheers,
    Tim

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    Harry J.
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    Exactly, that’s why I lean towards the view we must focus on the technology itself. Should people even be listening to grand plans to engineer and design society, when they could be investing in real technologies that improve life and create abundance? I think this is what Ramez would say – and, compared with some of the doctrinaire “plans” for the future that exist, I think I would tend to agree with Ramez’s view of the market as the thing that stimulates innovation.

    #19671
    anthony
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    Jacque doesn’t want to abolish money; he wants to create a society where money isn’t needed. There’s a big difference. If we just abolish money, people will create another form of it. We have to deal with the problem at its core, which is scarcity. Scarcity might not ever be eliminated, but we have to gain more control over it. As long as scarcity is the main driving force of society, peace is impossible. The same social problems will continue to exist.

    #19672
    anthony
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    An RBE isn’t Communism or Socialism. I urge you to do more research on The Venus Project. I think the best way to understand where Jacque is coming from is to watch his videos on Youtube.

    Competition for resources is why we have so many social problems. A market system is built on differential advantage. As long as we have a system like that in place, you’ll have to continue to lock your doors at night.

    #19841
    Peter
    Member

    “Jacque doesn’t want to abolish money; he wants to create a society where money isn’t needed.”

    The problem is that if there is unequal availability of resources individuals or organizations can still benefit from retaining or gaining control over these resources. Creating a society without money requires establishing abundance, going well beyond the notion of a “resource based” economy which is still based on the notion of scarcity of certain resources. And until at least the basic necessities of a comfortable life are entirely free and provided for without work we just are not there yet. As long as a man needs some token of exchange to allow his existence we can’t have a just or free society. Call it money or a “resource”, it doesn’t matter really. Some people have more and some have less.

    The article gives a real perspective from the point of view of poverty. All a poor man has is perhaps the change in his pocket and the clothes he is wearing. A society “without money” might be one in which all his needs are provided for or it could be one where all he’s left with is the clothes and empty pockets.

    What it is, is up to us.

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