How often do you get a movie review from Ray Kurzweil? In our interview with Ray a few months back, I asked him about his impression of science fiction films and TV shows. He responded:
"One problem with a lot of science fiction — and this is particularly true of movies — is they take one change, like the human-level cyborgs in the movie AI, and they put it in a world that is otherwise unchanged. So in AI, the coffee maker is the same and the cars are the same. There‘s no virtual reality, but you had human-level cyborgs. Part of the reason for that is the limitation of the form. To try to present a world in which everything is quite different would take the whole movie, and people wouldn‘t be able to follow it very easily. It‘s certainly a challenge to do that. I am in touch with some movie makers who want to try to do that."
In discussing Avatar, Ray is on point with a similar critique:
"Cameron's conception of technology a hundred years from now was incredibly unimaginative, even by Hollywood standards. For example, the munitions that were supposed to blow up the tree of life looked like they were used in World War II (maybe even World War I). Most of the technology looked primitive, even by today's standards. The wearable exoskeleton robotic devices were supposed to be futuristic, but these already exist, and are beginning to be deployed. The one advanced technology was the avatar technology itself."
"But in that sense, Avatar is like the world of the movie A.I., where they had human-level cyborgs, but nothing else had changed: A.I. featured 1980's cars and coffee makers. As for Avatar, are people still going to use computer screens in a hundred years? Are they going to drive vehicles?"
In general, I don't think we should expect all SF to be "hard SF" -- i.e. realistic or semi-realistic extrapolations about the future, but it sure would be cool to see it more often.
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I have a lot of respect for
I have a lot of respect for Kurzweil. I have to say though, that in some cases ideas are chosen for their visual impact and not their theoretical implications! meditation music
More Dictations from Kurzweil... What is the world coming to?!
More rubbish talk by Mr. 'Inevitability', aka Kurzweil!
The man's no futurist – he's a dreamer. Real futurists don't 'predict' things and actively pushes the ignorant wannabes to make *his* own dreams come true.
Worse still, the faux “futurist” blasts well-known fictitious works for not including his biased vision of the future “in the works”! Fortunately James Cameron doesn't have a Kurzweil leash around his neck.
Frankly, Kurzweil (and nonreligious modernCult devotees) have no right telling other fiction writers what to write about. Period.
Inconsistencies within SF - I
Inconsistencies within SF - I totally agree! How often have I stumbled accross this, e.g. in Star Trek. With Star Trek I have often asked myself why, for example, people are dying there if you can store their molecular pattern for teleporting or procuce all kinds of things with the replicator…
But this is not only a problem with SF, but also in many cases with foresight, where studies and analysis about the future only concentrate on one topic while failing to look at the whole picture and see the whole connections between technologies (e.g. energy, miniaturisation technologies, neurotechnologies, computing, transport, medicine, automation, nutrition, politics, laws and life style are all connected...)
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Tech & society
Being an avid consumer of most things sf, I'd say that by far the greatest problem for me are the fictions that extrapolate on tech but NOT on social or cultural issues. It seems, for example, that gender issues, sexuality, normality issues etc. are throwbacks to the 1950's in much sf. This is too bad - for me, the interesting changes are not technological but social and cultural (or rather, the interesting things are the ways in which tech intersects with the social!). Banks' Culture novels are good for this, as well as much of Dick's stuff. Vinge is not too bad either, Butler & LeGuin of course,...
Incredible computer effects
Want to see some really incredible computer graphics chick this out:
http://vimeo.com/7809605
There are other factors at play.
I agree with the general argument Ray made but I think there are several factors that Cameron was probably considering that he has not.
Not everyone uses the latest stuff all the time. If I was building a mining colony that could only be resupplied every nine years or so i wouldn't install the latest technology. I would take the most robust easy to maintain gear I could lay my hands on. In fact i would probably prefer tech i could concievably make my own spare parts for and ammunition that could be reloaded from local resources. I think the big clunky exoskeletons fit that bill as do the bullet spitting machine guns, the big hologram projectors etc. etc.
Also, remember the base in Pandora wasn't a military base, it was a civilian mining colony threatened by (what they thought) were dumb primatives. If James Cameron reasoned that they would be unlikely to get government permission to use the latest nanite super weapons or "the company" thought such things were too expensive, I would agree with him.
As for the munitions: The best way to deliver a lot of energy, reliably, cheaply over a distance is still the humble lead slug. Lasers have been found to be useless at knocking out tanks for example.
People don't go to movies to
People don't go to movies to think. A hard-scifi story that required them to engage and pay attention to keep track of all the changes in the world would never amount to more than a cult classic.
Seeing through the hype of $$ & Avatar
First, let me say this: I hated Avatar. I hated the story, I hated the ... well, I hated just about everything about it - but - I thought that it was a watershed moment - the movie, not the story - a moment that we will look at and judge films by, looking at them in terms of 'before Avatar' and 'after Avatar'. Things will never be the same in the movies. The stories, however, had better improve.
There is a natural tendency in our society to equate success with money, to judge the quality of something with how much money it 'makes' or 'generates'. Unfortunately, as we have seen through the movie Avatar, neither of these metrics are valid when it comes to assessing the quality or intrinsic value of anything within the realm of the entertainment industry. As Kurzweil points out, Avatar falls short on delivering any sort of vision of advanced future technologies, though I would submit that there was - perhaps - one or two interesting aviation developments, particularly in so far as the 'huey-like' attack helicopter (that wasn't) - but I digress, I come not to praise Avatar ... regardless of how interesting one or two flying machines may have looked the story fell miserably short of delivering anything beyond (yet another) view of the 'Ugly American' syndrome, featuring the ills of colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism at its worst. The technological aspect of the movie, quite frankly, does not even pass that which was introduced in the movie 'Minority Report'. Let's face it, when you have the cops on your doorstep taking you down for the crime that you haven't yet committed ... that's a technological advance (and the marbles were totally cool).
Ultimately, the only thing that Avatar has left me with is the nagging thought of 'oh, this movie would look really different if they used Cameran's Avatar technology' - and that will be its ultimate contribution. Imagine Jurassic Park - a ground breaking movie in its own right - but - imagine it with Cameran's technology ... yeah ... I thought so. Sorry Steven; they just don't look ... well, they don't look as real anymore. Blame James.
Jar Jar Binks Meets Pocahontas
Avatar was an abject failure as art, as science fiction, as story and as message.
Avatar: Jar Jar Binks Meets Pocahontas
http://www.starshipreckless.com/blog/?p=1245
Lab Rat Cinema: Monetizing the Reptile Brain
http://www.starshipreckless.com/blog/?p=1441
As for science in science fiction, or lack thereof,
SF Goes MacDonald’s: Less Taste, More Gristle
http://www.starshipreckless.com/blog/?p=1169
Double edged sword
There are a ton of great hard SF books out there today that could easily be transcribed into movie format. For example: I'd love to see a movie adaptation of Rainbow's End by Vinge but, as we all know, the book is always better than the movie. I think I'd rather let writers take on the task of hard SF and not let Hollywood mess it up. The closest they've come so far is Johnny Mnemonic. A great Gibson short story, arguably a terrible movie. (still doesn't stop me from wearing out the disc, though) I suppose we'll just have to wait and see what they can come up with. All I know is that if Avatar is the best they can do, I'm sorely disappointed. (Disclaimer: It was a very beautiful looking movie)
i enjoyed avatar but Kurzweil
i enjoyed avatar but Kurzweil is right, it is rare to find a sci-fi where the tecnology is how its actualy likly to be i the futere
I'm with Kurzweil on this one
I'm with Kurzweil on this one
Actually I fully agree with
Actually I fully agree with Ray on this.
We are already moving towards automated drones in todays wars.
With the avatar technology surely a logical progression would be for the troops to stay in orbit around the planet and use tele-operated drones to fight.
The beauty of science fiction
The beauty of science fiction is that you are free to manipulate what you want about the future in order to tell your story. Everything else is just aesthetics. For example, the movie Blade Runner takes place in I think 2016, yet exists in a world without computers. Yet is still… a good movie? WHAT? The mechanism of it taking place in the future provided Blade Runner to explore the idea of the definition of a human through the genetic-machine called a replicant. Besides that, the movie took place in a rainy city on ground floor.
Point being. I agree with the closing statement of this article that says not all sci fi needs to be hard sci fi (meaning accurate from a futurist's perspective, i presume), including Avatar.
When telling a story, you don't want to overload the viewer with too many ideas (we use virtual reality in the future, what's a computer?) because that tends to take away from the story. Instead, if one uses futuristic portrayals of things we use today...
well, there ya go.
Don't you love it when
Don't you love it when there's something everyone can agree on?
http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/avatar-and-the-flight-from-re...
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