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Eldorado Desperadoes II

The Quantum Choice: You Can Have Either Sex or Immortality
Written By: Athena Andreadis
Date Published: September 16, 2009 | View more articles in:

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Because of the four-plus centuries of Ottoman occupation, the folklore of all Balkan nations shares a Trickster figure named Hodja. In one of the countless stories involving him, Hodja has a donkey that’s very useful in carting firewood, water, etc –- but the problem is that he eats expensive hay. So Hodja starts decreasing the amount of hay he feeds the donkey. The donkey stolidly continues doing the chores and Hodja, encouraged by the results, further decreases the feed until it’s down to nothing. The donkey continues for a few days, then keels over. Hodja grumbles, “The bastard! Just when I had him trained to work all day without hay!”

Whenever I hear about longevity by caloric restriction, I immediately think of this story.

But to turn to real science, what is the basis for caloric restriction as a method of prolonging life? The answer is... not humans. The basis is that it appears (emphasis on the appears) that feeding several organisms, including mice and rhesus monkeys, near-starvation diets seems to roughly double their lifespan. Ergo, reasons your average hopeful transhumanist, the same could happen to me if only I had the discipline and time to do the same –- plus the money, of course, for all the supplements and vitamins that such a regime absolutely requires, to say nothing of the expense of such boutique items as digital balances.

I will say a few words first about such beasties as flies (Drosophila melanogaster) and worms (Caenorhabditis elegans) before I climb the evolutionary ladder. Many organisms in other branches of the evolutionary tree have two “quantum” modes: survival or reproduction. For example, many invertebrates are programmed to die or be killed immediately after reproduction, occasionally becoming food for their progeny. In some cases, their digestive tracts literally disintegrate after they release their fertilized eggs. Conversely, feeding an infertile worker bee royal jelly turns her into a fully functioning queen. The general principle behind caloric restriction is that it essentially turns the organism’s switch from reproductive to survival mode.

Cartoon credit: Sidney HarrisMost vertebrates from reptiles onward face a less stark choice. Because either or both parents are required to lavish care on offspring, vertebrate reproduction is not an automatic death sentence. So let’s segue to humans. Due to their unique birth details, human children literally require the vaunted village to raise them -- parents, grandparents, first degree relatives, the lot. At the same time, it doesn’t take scientific research to notice that when calories and/or body fat fall below a certain minimum, girls and women stop ovulating. It also takes just living in a context of famine, whether chosen or enforced, to notice the effects of starvation on people, from lethargy and fatigue to wasted muscles, brittle bones and immune system suppression, crowned with irritability, depression, cognitive impairment and overall diminished social affect.

Ah, says the sophisticated caloric restriction advocate, but much of this comes from imbalances in the diet –- missing vitamins, minerals, etc. Well, yes and no. Let me give a few examples.

All vitamins except B and C are lipid-soluble. If we don’t have enough fat, our body can’t absorb them. So the excess ends up in odd places where it may in fact be toxic –- hence the orange carotenoid-induced tint that is a common telltale sign of many caloric restriction devotees. Furthermore, if we have inadequate body fat, not only are we infertile, infection-prone and slow to heal due to lack of necessary hormones and cholesterol; our homeostatic mechanisms (such as temperature regulation) also flag. And because caloric restriction forces the body to use up muscle protein and leaches bones of minerals, practitioners can end up with weakened hearts and bone fractures.

Speaking of fat, the brain has no energy reserves. It runs exclusively on glucose. When starved of glucose, it starts doing odd things, including the release of stress chemicals. This, in turn, can induce anything from false euphoria to hallucinations. This phenomenon is well known from anorexics and diabetics entering hypoglycemia, but also from shamans, desert prophets and members of cultures that undertook vision quests, which invariably included prolonged fasting.

So caloric restriction may make its practitioners feel euphoric. But just as people feel they have comprehended the universe while under the influence of psychoactive drugs, so does this practice impair judgment and related executive functions –- let alone causing physiological problems.

So what about those glowing reports which purport to have demonstrated that caloric restriction doubles the lifespans of mice and rhesus monkeys, as well as giving them glossy pelts? Surely we can put up with a bit of mental confusion, even failing erections, in exchange for a longer life, as long as it’s of high quality –- otherwise we’ll end up like poor Tithonus, who was granted immortality but not youth and dwindled into a shriveled husk before the gods in their whimsical mercy turned him into a cicada. And it does seem that caloric restriction decreases such banes of extended human lifespan as diabetes and atherosclerosis. Well, there’s something interesting going on, all right, but not what people (like to) think.

Flaskmouse. Photo credit: www.starshipnivan.comIn biology, details are crucial and mice are not humans. In Eldorado Desperadoes I: Of Mice and Men [See Resources], I explained at length why non-human studies are proof of principle at best, irrelevant at worst. Laboratory mice and monkeys are bred to reproduce early and rapidly. They’re fed rich diets and lead inactive lives –- the equivalent of couch potatoes. The caloric restriction studies have essentially returned the animals to the normal levels of nutrition that they would attain in the wild. Indeed, caloric restriction of wild mice does not extend their lives and when caloric levels fall below about 50%, both lab and wild mice promptly keel over, like Hodja’s donkey. In the rhesus studies, lifespans appeared extended only when the investigators counted a subset of the deaths in the animal group they tested.

On the molecular level, much attention has been recently paid to sirtuin activators, reservatrol chief among them. Sirtuins are a class of proteins that regulate several cell processes, including aspects of DNA repair, cell cycle and metabolism. This means they’re de facto pleiotropic, which should give would-be life extenders pause. As for resveratrol, it doesn’t even extend life in mice –- so the longer lives of the red-wine loving French result from other causes, almost certainly including their less sedentary habits and their universal and sane health coverage. That won’t stop ambitious entrepreneurs from setting up startups that test sirtuin activators and their ilk, but I predict they will be as effective as leptin and its relatives were for non-genetic obesity.

This brings to mind the important and often overlooked fact that genes and phenotypes never act in isolation. An allele or behavior that is beneficial in one context becomes deleterious in another. When longer-lived mutants and wild-type equivalents are placed in different environments, all longevity mutations result in adaptive disadvantages (some obvious, some subtle) that make the mutant strain disappear within a few generations regardless of the environment specifics.

When starved of glucose, the brain starts doing odd things, including the release of stress chemicals. This, in turn, can induce anything from false euphoria to hallucinations.

Similarly, caloric restriction in an upper-middle class context in the US may be possible, if unpleasant. But it’s a death sentence for a subsistence farmer in Bangladesh who may need to build up and retain her weight in anticipation of a famine. For women in particular, who are prone to both anorexia and osteoporosis, caloric restriction is dangerous –- hovering as it does near keeling over territory. As for isolated, inbred groups that have more than their share of centenarians, their genes are far more responsible for their lifespan than their diet. So does the fact that they invariably lead lives of moderate but sustained physical activity surrounded by extended families, as long as they are relatively dominant within their family and community.

Human lifespan has already nearly tripled, courtesy of vaccines, antibiotics, clean water and use of soap during childbirth. It is unlikely that we will be able to extend it much further. Extrapolations indicate that caloric restriction will not lengthen our lives by more than 3% (a pitiful return for such herculean efforts) and that we can get the same result from reasonable eating habits combined with exercise. Recent, careful studies have established that moderately overweight people are the longest-lived, whereas extra-lean people live as long as do obese ones.

So what can you really do to extend your life? Well, as is the case with many other quality-of-life attributes, you should choose your parents carefully. Good alleles for susceptibilities to degenerative age-related diseases (diabetes, heart disease, hypertension and dementia) are a great help -- as is high income in a developed country with first-rate medical services, which will ensure excellent lifelong nutrition and enough leisure time and/or devoted underlings to make it possible to attend to suchlike things.

The author: Athena AndreadisAthena Andreadis arrived in the US from Greece at 18 to pursue biochemistry and astrophysics as a scholarship student at Harvard, then MIT. In her research, Athena examines a fundamental gene regulatory mechanism, alternative splicing. Her model is the human tau gene, whose product is a scaffolding protein in neurons. Disturbances in tau splicing result in dementia and cognitive disabilities.

When not conjuring in the lab, Athena writes (and used to review) stories and essays, a skill she developed as an unexpected benefit of chronic insomnia. She has always wondered about extraterrestrial life and the future of humanity. Combining all these interests, she wrote To Seek Out New Life: The Biology of Star Trek, a stealth science book that investigates biology, psychology and sociology through the lens of the popular eponymous series. She plans to write more books, if only she can find the time.

Resources: 

Eldorado Desperadoes I: Of Mice and Men
http://www.starshipnivan.com/blog/?p=578

To Seek Out New Life by Athena Andreadis
http://www.starshipreckless.com/
http://www.toseekoutnewlife.com/

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I really do not get this mentality. There are reasons to live healthy and not be lazy. Feel better. Their quality of life is better as it ages. I do not want to be a bum 300 pounds all his life. When you are 60 years and facing a knee replacement and type II diabetes, life sucks. But what kind of sick shit starve themselves so that instead of living the typical 80 or 85 years, which can live 100. I mean seriously, is the quality of life between 80 and 100 is sufficient to justify a lifetime of misery? These people are like monks behind. At least monks are doing for the next life. colorado marantz dealer

Everything that makes you live longer, it makes life impossible.
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Oh well, I guess the good news is that the increase in men anorexic women will mean more to ordinary men.

Really great. It seems like a trick we should have figured out a long, long time ago. Thanks! CNA Training

I would also love to see the true study of when a moderately over weighed person has a longer life expectancy solicitors no win no fee

I have read many books on reduced caloric intake and its affects on the extending life. Being in the Health and Nutrition field and doing a lot of my own reading I have a hard time coming to the same conclusions, but one thing I know is the body does funny things when faced with challenges. Interesting reading. Cremation Urns

Neat article, reminds me of a article about feast and famine and genetic memory a while back and how they linked it to diabetics and generational linking of the gene set that mutated during a feast famine disparage from years through. And I like the reference to "Of mice and men" I read that as a book in school a long time ago. Now if we could just understand better, the genetic memory encoded in the folding and bundling of protein chains for the right chemical expressions to be further translated out. Also genetic imprinting for genetic memory or physical therapy and replacement, or even genetic imprinting for cognitive construction and such. Protein folding and chemical docking, Where is my memory enhancement going to come from first? Just 2 cents for the kettle

I wouldnt want to live forever ... and even immortality couldnt experience everything, because he could experience sex, so any way you can not have it all. Immortality sounds terrible to me too. I bet it would be fun for a couple hundred years, and thats about it.
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Than you, Athena, for countering the undeserved hype this story has been getting.

I first heard about this study on the Nature podcast, and while it was a fascinating result, even then it was made clear that its crippling effect on the human immune system alone meant that we were, at best, a long way off from getting any practical benefit. It never hurts to be reminded of the weaknesses of animal models. get pregnant quick

Athena, I love the clarity and color with which you express yourself. I learn much from you.

Glad you enjoyed it, Joe!

I note one factual error as follows:

"Human lifespan has already nearly tripled, courtesy of vaccines, antibiotics, clean water and use of soap during childbirth. It is unlikely that we will be able to extend it much further"

1) predictions of future scientific progress are not reliable
2) HOWEVER life expectancy has been increasing on average by 1/3 yr per year in rich countries and there is no sign of that trend decreasing. Since a LOT of research is turning to life extension it is reasonable to assume that trend will only INCREASE whether or not caloric restriction turns out to be effective.

Just because you disagree with something does not make it a factual error. Increase in average life expectancy does not translate to increase in lifespan.

Looking at the title, is there really a choice? ;-)

Well, it depends on what is stronger -- desire or fear.

Makes good sense, though I expect we may indeed see radical life extension in the near future - just not through things like calorie restriction.

Of course, it may just be confirmation bias - I've always been suspicious of health freaks - but thanks for the insights.

Then what ages us? Is it the passing of days, does our body count the days we are alive and ages at that rate?

Or is it calories?

As the saying goes, "We never agree with someone else's opinions; just our own opinions expressed by someone else." It is certain that we won't see radical life extension in the near future. Moore's Law, though it's quoted like a mantra by transhumanists, applies only to silicon -- and then only to a subset thereof. As for the far future, this issue may become irrelevant if we lose technology from staring at our virtual individual navels too long.

I always wondered why the human race waited until now to discover that almost-starving helped us live longer. It seems like a trick we should have figured out a long, long time ago.

For most of its existence, humanity hovered near starvation (which shortened life) except for the top of the social pyramid. Only after technology allowed surplus for nearly everyone and the poor started turning obese from foods saturated with corn starch did thinness become a sign of financial and social privilege -- just like paleness when the poor toiled outside in the fields and, conversely, a tan when the poor toiled inside factories.

Good work.. i wonder what aubrey de grey or ray kurzweil would say... having all those pills and suplements everyday!

Thanks, Robert! Well, most of the pills and supplements give interesting hues to one's urine and, if one overdoes it, to one's skin... but some of them can cause problems, primarily to the liver and the kidneys that act as the body's clearinghouses.

While I would say that some of the possible side-effects of CR in humans, do suggest it might not necessarily extend human lifespan significantly. Supplements like resveratrol are a completely different game. Such compounds have never before been widely available in as highly concentrated and purified forms.

When I saw, if I'm not mistaken, the ability to triple survival of human cells exposed to gamma radiation, I saw a glimpse of what such compounds could do in humans. We humans have been blessed with countless longevity mechanisms thanks to the needs of our young(for example a recent study suggested brain volume does not decrease with age in individuals with healthy brains, that is when you discount those suffering from some degenerative|diseased state.).

Giving a boost to the repair|maintenance mechanisms may or may not do much for us, time will tell. But let's just say the evidence, is promising, that closely related species have been seen where one is negligibly senescent(aka for all practical purposes biologically immortal, iows, ageless), and the other ages(suffers from aging). Even within some species exponential differences in lifespan of individuals exists... obviously the result of different expression patterns of mostly the same genes(same genes, due to being the same species.). This suggests that a small difference in upkeep|maintenance may be enough to confer biological immortality for all practical purposes.

Tripling the lifespan of cells does not translate to the whole organism. In fact, abnormally prolonging cell life (for any cells but neurons) leads to something that cuts immortality rather short; namely, cancer.

All of the species closely related to us have senescence and finite lifespans. And even if they did not, as I explained in the first Eldorado Desperadoes article (Of Mice and Men), it would not automatically mean it applied to us.

It is true that increasing the lifespans of cells does not necessarily extend to the whole organism, and it can be detrimental by allowing for the possibility of cancer. But if a compound exerts strong anti-cancer effects and only protects and extends the function of healthy cells, it may or may not result in extended lifespan(depending on what is actually limiting lifespan.).

My comment about closely related species having widely different lifespans, some showing negligible senescence, was to show that such 'must share' much of their genetic makeup, and that tweaks in the expression of mostly the same genes can result in exponential increases in lifespan of an organism. Whether this applies to humans or not, is indeed an open question, but it does suggest that at least for 'some' organisms "the jump from an aging species to an ageless one" may not require lots of exotic elements, but mostly a few tweaks in gene expression, and such may or may not be the case for us.

What we do know is that we've accumulated lots of pro-longevity changes. What additional changes are needed to make the jump to negligible senescence is unknown. There may be few or there may still be many left, the actual case, with regards to a human organism, is not known. If the case were that there are few, this would suggest, it may be possible for some compound or combination of compounds to confer the necessary changes.

No sexually reproducing organism is immortal. Only those that reproduce by asexual division are "immortal" by a loose definition. For humans in particular, there's the question of maintaining the integrity of the brain/mind, something I plan to explore in future articles.

That is true, but what seems like negligible senescence, if I'm not mistaken, has been seen in some sexually reproducing organisms. While eventually even such organisms might be subject to forms of decay, if such a state could somehow be induced in humans, it would seem to buy substantial time for using further technologies to solve whatever problems remain for true biological immortality.

So what you are saying here is that there IS NO GOLDEN BULLET?

*agast*

(whole foods, moderation, and reasonable exercise will do a lot more good than all the supplements and fad diets in the world)

(until the day comes when we can pick our parents)

Not even lead, let alone gold! *laughs*

Not even lead, let alone gold! *laughs*

Google and ye shall find.

Though you may need PubMed access to read the entire articles, rather than just the abstracts, if you are looking for primary sources rather than journalistic digests.

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